Thursday, February 13, 2020

Stan & Jack #1 & Original Art


AWESOME UPDATE:

Yes, it's here! At last! Because YOU demanded it!



And as proof, here's Dave himself with his very own copy in his hot little hands!



What's that, pilgrims? Where can you get your OWN cavortin' copy? Nothing could be simpler! Just hie thee over to https://petedoree.bigcartel.com effendi's! And tell 'em Irving Forbush sent you!
( Phew... It's exhasting talking like Stan all the time! )





Let's talk original art. I follow Jimmy Palmiotti on the ol' twitter, and yesterday he put up some pieces he owns, with the invitation for everybody else to do likewise.
So I responded with these ( which some of you may've seen before on the other blog ):



Back in 2005, the late great Gene Colan was selling the Twomorrows produced biography Secrets In The Shadows on his website, along with a compedium  / best bits book called The Gene Colan Annual.
The deal was, if you bought both books direct from Gene, he would do you two FREE headshots of any character you wanted!!!
And as you can see, I chose Matt & Nat, their short run together being one of my favourites of the Bronze Age.

Now, as you'd expect, Sean owns a bit of original art, mostly John M. Burns ( natch ) but a few other bits and pieces as well.
I actually don't know if I'd want original pages ( if I could even afford them ), but one-off masterpieces like the two above? Hell, yeah.
So what about you lot? Got any original art? What about those Artist's Editions? I've never indulged, basically because after the initial 'gosh wow' moment, I don't know how many times I'd ever go back to them. Have you got any?
Original art. Tell us all.

46 comments:

  1. Oh, man! I would LOVE me some original art by Colan! I've never been one to seek out or collect that sort of thing - it's pretty costly, for starters - but I do have a very short list of must-haves that I have mostly acquired.

    The pinnacle piece I have is a pen & ink illustration of an angel by P Craig Russell. Other items include original pages by David Mack, Scott McCloud and Berni Wrightson. I have a Coyote sketch (of course) by Chas Truog. And although it's not an original, I also have a framed print of Windsor-Smith's Pandora - which took me YEARS to track one down.

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  2. A few stories behind what I have; The PCR illustration I got because I literally begged him to do it (he was only sketching rocks and trees) and also paid him 4X what he was asking. The David Mack piece was sent to me as a thank you for a nice review I wrote about Kabuki. And the BWS print - I was complaining to a friend of mine one day about how I'd never been able to find one - and he walked over to his closet, dug around a bit - and pulled the damn thing out & GAVE it to me.

    How weird is that? :)

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  3. Ha! That's like Philbo blightly giving me his 2nd copy of Idyl, except a million times better. I'd obviously love something from the Gorblimey days but they are ungettable, as you say. A PCR angel is unspeakably cool too!

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  4. The gems in my (very small but precious) collection are by Michael T. Gilbert: A set of dedicated drawings he very kindly sent to me when we first virtually met; a gorgeous King Kong piece for a unpublished anthology about the giant ape; and last but not least, the almost complete set of original pages from my very favorite "The Wraith" story, "The fall of the house of Silver".

    About Artist´s Editions, sorry but I got none. I have not the money neither the room. The closest I got at home is the book "Andy Warhol. Giant Size". A beauty I have read many times. As much I love it, I was gonna die they day I have to carry home :D

    Manuel Ruiz

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  5. Also I got framed at home a superb dedicated (for my wife and me) "Wraith" drawing, and a beautiful "Patty" (from "Patty´s world") by Purita Campos. And my father, apart of King Kong got two more precious from Gilbert, both renditions of spanish characters: excellent drawing in b&w of El Capitan Trueno and a spectacular colored El corsario de hierro.

    Plus something by Chaykin (a drawing of Beverly -from my fave "Black Kiss"), Bolland (Morgana, from "Camelot 3000") or Sim (a card with a Cerebus drawing).

    Never been a lucky guy like you both. No free "Idyl", neither Pandora. Well, the last time I met my dealer and friend some weeks ago (the unforgetable day he told me he got for me a copy of "2001") he gave for free a giant sized edition with the complete adventures of "Taxista", the unforgettable classic of the kinky line by Martí (a dangerous -and excellent- artist that fooled his own death in the pages of the magazine "El Vibora"and then miraculously -and hilariously- "resurrected" in a Comicon, much for the surprise of those present).

    Here you are a hilarious article with some of the pics that appeared in the pages of "El Vibora"

    http://absencito.blogspot.com/2013/04/

    Manuel Ruiz

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  6. I forgot you had most of that Wraith story, Manuel. That's the winner for me of your selection. What a great piece of work. I might read it again tonight!

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  7. Enrique Nieto used to sign some of his work 'Marti' during his stint with Charlton in the 70s - and I almost thought that the Marti you're talking about and Nieto might be one in the same. After looking at his art in the link you provided though, I don't think so. If anything, it reminded me of Charles Burns.

    I really liked Gilbert's Wraith stories, too. Wish he had done more of them.

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  8. Curious you mention Charles Burns, Kiyote. Never thought before. But by an odd coincidence both were published in the pages of "El vibora", (Martí from early 80s, and Burns, from the 90s). Martí come very recommended if you wanna take a walk to the wild side, but, beware, this is strong stuff. For adults with hardcore sense of black (very black) humour.

    And a big YES to "The Wraith". Don´t know if you are aware, but in a couple of months, it will be again on the rackets with a sunny cover. Must buy, even if I got the first edition. "The Wraith" is quintaessential Gilbert. "The fall of the House of Silver" is, for me, Gilbert´s first masterpiece. And then came short stories as great and experimental as "Fear".

    For all of you who happen to like Gilbert and Craig Russell, there is another collaboration after Elric. It was a great "Penguin" story, published in the pages of "Showcase 94" issue 7. And if you wanna read something by Gilbert as great as "The Wraith" and "Mr. Monster", check this

    https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Mann-and-Superman/Full?id=158448

    Manuel Ruiz

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  9. I read that one recently, it's brilliant.

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  10. I have seen and often see a lot of original art, but owning it is not a responsibility I wish to undertake.

    In the past I made annual treks to the Frazetta museum and saw many of his original paintings and comics covers, and even a few interior pages.

    Each year at the NY Comic Con I've seen originals by all of the top comics artists of every era. In the past I visited Al Williamson's house a few times and saw his collection of other artists' work as well as his own.

    Gene Poole

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  11. Gene...you make.me. FUCKING ENVIOUS.

    I havevto heard 5 times in a row "I'm not in love" by 10cc to calm myself down.
    I mean... Frazetta Museum... Holy Fucking Fuck!!! That's for me like Golgota to Christians...

    And yes kids, if you happen to love erotic 70s movies as much as myself you can't fucking miss "The Streetwalker" by Walerian Borowvzyck, with Silvia Krystel & Joe Dallesandro in the fucking stellar main roles

    Yes, I'm drunk after a memorable Valentine's Night. Why do you ask?

    Lol

    Manuel "Vodka lover" Ruiz

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    1. Al Williamson was a huge aficionado of Daniel Vierge, the Spanish father of modern illustration. He pulled out an old edition of Don Quixote on one of my visits, and the pen-and-ink work was gorgeous.

      For those who don't know, Daniel Vierge developed the printing methods for pen and ink illustration in the late 1800s. Prior to that, most publications used engravings (like Gustave Dore's work). Daniel Vierge had a stroke and lost the use of his right arm. He trained himself to draw with the left hand, and did better work than ever!

      Is there is a Vierge museum in your country let me know! Otherwise, the Prado will have to do.

      Gene Poole

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  12. Hope I did what you wanted there, Manuel:) ( That'll make no sense to anyone but me & him now! )

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  13. Now if Manuel were some Time-Warner exec or Gamergate asshole, I could've claimed that I took a screenshot of his now-deleted silliness & used it for blackmail. However, that's not the case here, so I'll just wish him a speedy recovery from any potential ill effects. :)

    I recall the 'Penguin' story that Gilbert & PCR did together (as well as the original Elric mini-series). There was good reason for PCR to go back and re-draw/re-color a lot of Elric before the trade paperback - because as much as I like both artists, their styles do not mesh all that well together. They seemed to have worked things out by the time the Penguin short appeared, but even then, I still couldn't quite get into seeing Gilbert's flamboyant layouts rendered in Russell's fine line. It's like... a bicycle-tire and butterscotch sandwich.

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  14. Kiyote: your blackmail idea is delicious. Funny that I have spent all the day ashamed listening Iggy Pop to inject some moral and minutes ago the people that were yesterday with my wife and me, and that I though never, ever, wanted to met me again in their entire life, just have phoned to invite us to dinner and then to the local karaoke bar.I promise I'll not drink. Well, maybe just a glass ;)

    Manuel Ruiz

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    1. Pete: You deserve a Nobel award for being so nice.
      Gene:Unfortunately Daniel Vierge spend most of his life outside Spain, so there are only just of his gorgeous drawings hanging here and there, like a Museum in Getafe. That's the way we treat our genius. Go and ask Ivan Zulueta (through an Ouija board).

      Epilogue: Today I have learned a precious lesson. Things are real relative. I though the people yesterday hated me and reality was exactly the opposite. Even one woman wanted to come with me to watch "A hidden life" tomorrow, but I have very politely decline. Prefer to stay at home with my wife.

      The only bad thing went when I bought the hot dog I was wishing to eat last Sunday while watching the Ilsa trilogy (like if I was wstching it at a seedy Deuce theatre). And the thing tasted cold, like made yester-yester- yesterday. And it cost me 2 bucks. Two frigging bucks!!! How many comics (or original art) I could have bought with that wasted money... Grrr.

      And Cerebus... I have a friend, big Dr. Who fan, who would be envious of your nice collection

      Manuel Ruiz

      Ps. A song to end the day: New values by Iggy Pop.

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    2. Everything is relative, Si. I couldn't agree more.

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  16. Pete, those Gene Colan sketches are lovely and must be treasured possessions. Great stuff!
    There are loads of artists I'd love to own original pages by... but it's just such an expensive hobby. The only actual comic pages I own are a couple from an old Doctor Who strip drawn by Martin Geraghty, which I bought from him at a Who con many years ago. I really should post some pics of those on the ol' blog, they're very nice.

    Also on a Doctor Who theme I've got a couple of sketches by the wonderful Mike Collins - headshots of the Third and Eighth Doctors ( the latter only posted on my blog yesterday ). Links below if anyone's interested:

    https://glasswalking-stick.blogspot.com/2020/02/valentines-day-with-eighth-doctor.html
    https://glasswalking-stick.blogspot.com/2019/02/third-doctor-sketch-by-mike-collins.html

    I've also got a very cool Spider-Man vs Sandman illustration by the superbly-talented Dan McDaid and ( you've guessed it ! ) here's the link to the post on my blog:

    https://glasswalking-stick.blogspot.com/2012/05/spider-man-vs-sandman-by-dan-mcdaid.html

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  17. Those are beautiful, C! I've seen the Pertwee one before but not those others. Congrats!

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  18. That's awesome news!!!. But let me ask you a question:When is gonna be possible to buy the whole series? I'm asking you this because if I buy one by one the post expenses are gonna be far more expensive than the comics themselves.

    Go figure: I have recently purchased "The beyond" issue 2 from Eibon Press. 20 bucks the comic... and 25 the post expenses. Thank God I love Lucio Fulci, because if not I would have commited suicide by eating 2 hot dogs, like that of yesterday night (lol).

    From here to the Eisners, Pete! ;)

    Manuel Ruiz

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  19. Well, I'm hitting the post office tomorrow, Manuel, as I've already sold some copies on twitter, so let me find out how much the postage will be to Spain.
    Basically, I'll print ish #2, when I've sold enough copies of #1 and so on, but let's see what we can do.
    Also, I should say that, the first 25 copies sold get a headshot sketch of yourself alongside Stan & Jack, drawn on the backing card. An offer which obviously extends to the regular gang on here, so don't worry if you're not in that initial 25. You'll just need to email me a photo of yourself.

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    1. Thanks Pete! Waiting for your answer (when you can, of course). My brother is ready to make the purchase of the 1st issue. Or all 3 in a row if it is possible. At your service, Sir, yes Sir!

      And have passed the link to Gilbert. He´s pretty much into digital nowadays (the epic problem of room, for us comic book crazy collectors, I guess), but, Who knows!

      Manuel Ruiz

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    2. Hey Manuel, checked today and postage to Spain would be £4 for one issue ( I can't do the comic any cheaper or I don't make anything on it ).
      Or you could wait until I sell enough of ish #1 to make my money back and print #2 & #3. Which might not be long based on the last couple of days... )
      Absolutely no pressure at all on anybody tho', I know money's tight these days, gang!

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    3. ok. Pete, thanks a lot. I´ll tell you what I´m gonna do: I´m going to wait a little to purchase all 3 in a row. BUT if you see issue 1 is in risk of "sold out"(which would be ultragreat news) please tell me (you know that I check your blog 200 times a week, so I will notice -lol-) and my brother Alex will purchase inmediatly. Yesterday I was reading the issue 2 you posted and get one thing I didn´t get the first time: Vaughn Bodé was drew with the same dress in that memorable color story titled "Schizoprenia". Great touch!

      And congratulations for the steady sellings!!!

      Manuel Ruiz

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    4. Of course, if you're drawing Da Bode, he has to look like that!
      BTW if I do sell all the 1st run of Ish #1, I will obviously print more, but I'll do #2 & #3 too, in time.

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    5. Anyhow, keep me informed, please (a big notification warning on top of the page saying "RUN! LAST COPIES!!" will do the trick). I got the money (no big deal after the bankrupcy with "The beyond" 2 and the Saturday night hot dog) and I can order any time, but if I can save a little in post expenses I would be a very happy man.

      Manuel Ruiz

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    6. You bet, Manuel. Hope you're not struggling too much financially obviously.
      Let me get this week out of the way and we'll see.
      BTW gang I'm leaving this page up for a week, as I've applied to Thought Bubble to sell the book, and they'll be looking here sometime this week to decide if I get a spot.
      Still be chatting down here in the comments of course.

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  20. Congratulations, Pete! There are few things in life more satisfying than seeing something that you made in print. You've probably already done this (or are thinking of doing it) but if not, you honestly should send out some complimentary copies to the likes of Boom Studios, IDW, even Dark Horse - because nothing in the world impresses jaded editors more than a published & professional product.

    Hell, I tell you nothing you already don't know. Bask in that limelight & reap the rewards, amigo. And again, my most sincere congrats!

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  21. Thanks K! Working on getting reviews for now, but you never know...

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  22. Pete's right, I do have quite a few pieces of John M Burns original art. But my absolute favourite piece I own is a John Buscema/Alfredo Alcala Conan page. Conan is onlyy in one panel but I don't care, everything is beautifully drawn. My holy grail would be a page from Batman Year One, but that'll never happen...

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    1. Ah yeah, that Conan's a great piece, newly acquired...

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  23. Hey kids: Just something has to be clarified. I did a mistake when I commented that Gilbert send me the original pages of "The fall of the house of Silver". He send me the layout pages. Anyhow, original or layouts, this is a real treasury.

    And Kiyote, he told me that in the case of The Penguin story, the method was the opposite: Craig provided rough pencil layouts and Gilbert did the finished art.

    About Elric, certainly Russell redrew some pannels for the Elric collection, but they both recolored the entire book.

    Manuel Ruiz

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  24. Layouts is still very cool though!

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  25. Finally catching up with my "Things to do" list. Ordered Stan and Jack - check. I love those Colan sketches. Like Sean, most of mine are by John M Burns, some bought, mostly gifts. A few by Alan Davis, A Tom Kerr original page of Doctor in Charge from Look-in. Kendal has been a great place to get some. I've got a lovely Groo sketch by Sergio Aragones and last year got a Michael Lark Daredevil in my omnibus and a Duncan Fegredo Hellboy in one of the library editions. Artists Editions - The Bill Sienkiewicz and Gene Colan Dracula ones were presents and I got the a John Romita Snr Spider-man one half price off Book Palace. They're so big they take up a lot of space but are great to browse through when I know I could never afford a single of any of the pages.
    At the start of this thread, P Craig Russell was mentioned. Pete - are you going to Portsmouth this year? Russell was on the guest list, then off and is now back on again. Not sure what the chances of getting a sketch will be though. I suspect the queues for his and Adam Hughes' tables will match Walt Simonson's from a few years ago.

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  26. Hey Colin! I'll get in touch with you today. Portsmouth sounds great!
    In the meantime, gang, I've written a piece for Bleeding Cool about how I came up with Stan & Jack - It's at https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/02/18/pete-dorees-adventures-of-stan-lee-and-jack-kirby-as-they-should-have-been/
    Check it out!

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  27. So what was the Dave verdict on Birds of Prey then?

    -sean

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  28. Well, in a move that will surprise absolutely no one at all, he......... never actually got round to seeing it.
    He did, though, locate a stall on the market in my town with a plethora of Bronze Age ( and onwards ) comics, where we both spent rather more than we should've.
    That boy can smell a back issue a mile away!

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    1. There goes a chunk of the film's revenue without the Dave seal of approval on the interwebs to bring in the discerning comic fan. Still, the important thing is he's boosting your sales modelling for Stan & Jack ads, right?

      Personally though, I'm waiting for the collected trade.

      -sean

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  29. He did apologise for not being a glamourous babe when we took the photo.
    But then a glamourous babe may not have found the comic stall on the market so, y'know, swings & roundabouts.

    I guess I can't complain about anybody waiting for the trade, when that's exactly what I always do. I even have a title:
    Is the world ready for: 'Essential Showcase Presents Stan & Jack'???
    Or 'Giant-Size Stan-Thing....?'

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    1. Doree Masterworks?
      And don't forget the artist edition while you're at it.

      So long as Dave didn't do the photo topless theres no need for him to apologize.

      Only kidding about the trade thing Pete, although I may well hang on til all three are out, to save a bit on postage. I'll see how it goes (but won't wait too long, honest).

      -sean

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  30. I'm not kidding about a trade! I mean, why the hell not?
    If I can sell the hundred I've got printed ( and I've sold a quarter of that in the last 4 days ), then I'll print a hundred of ish #2 and so on.
    It might take a while, but as The Cranberries said: 'Everybody else is doing it, why can't we?'

    And I'm fine with yourself ( and Manuel ) waiting for all three, honest. This time last week, I didn't know if I'd even sell one copy, so everything's a bonus at this point.

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    1. Of course its selling - what do you expect when you've got Rob Liefeld on your side?
      (I want that collectors item classic first print run so clearly I'll have to rethink waiting for the set)

      -sean

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